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Hello, welcome to my talk page. My name is Joseph C. Campana, and I am the webmaster of ResearchID.org. Make yourself at home and enjoy this website. -- JosephCCampana 21:59, 13 February 2006 (CST)

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Please use this section for any message to me...

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From Darth314

Dear Joseph,

Regarding my provocative change in "ID courses".

I was curious, how well this site is curated and whether changes are tracked. there is a lot of sloppiness on such sites usually. Thus, i figured that the easiest way to find out is to make a slightly provocative change and see how long it takes unitl the change is reverted. you were very quick and that speaks for your administrative seriousness.


I will limit myself to factual contributions in the future.


cheers,


darth314


Hey Joey, I know it doesn't really have anything to do with ID, but I saw that you had commented on a blog regarding a website called "blasphemy challenge" could you tell me what blog page that was. I'd like to keep track of it. Thanks Joe. -- William Roux

Hello William. I'll send you an email about that. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 08:13, 27 December 2006 (CST)

Joey, I'd like to retitle my Plato article to a more appropriate "Platonic dualism". My intent is to really make monists think about what they are doing...I think "Plato" is to general. idadvisors-11:30 pm 12/15

I agree on this. I went ahead and moved the page, and retained the little bit of biographical information on the Plato page. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 07:42, 15 December 2006 (CST)

Joey, could we add a brainstorming page. I've got some ideas but they are not fully developed. I'm not ready to start an article. In particular, I'm thinking of ways we might be able to detect wether there was one designer or multible designers, but my ideas are not fully developed. I'd like to throw out some of my ideas and see if anyone can build on them. --Tom 23:16, 12 December 2006 (CST)

Hello, Tom. Sure, feel free to make your own brainstorm sub-page. You can do this by editing the page that appears after clicking on the following link: User:Tom/brainstorm. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 00:33, 13 December 2006 (CST)

I'm new to the website and I was looking at some of the articles. I couldn't seem to find anything on physiology and ID. If they are on the website please let me know where they are, if they aren't do you know where I could find some good sources for that kind of information. -- William

Welcome, William. We are glad you are here. We have not developed any content regarding physiology, that I know of. Most biological ID research happens at the cellular and sub-cellular level. Does ID related neuroscience research fit the bill? Try asking your physiology question in a comment on UncommonDescent.com, making sure you clearly state at the beginning of your post that it is an off-topic question. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 23:43, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

Good news, I finally uploaded something on Teleology....Check out the syllogism at the end....HUGEproblems for the Darwinists (how so?) At another time I will attempt to prove p2. idadvisors...

Good stuff! Let me know when you want me to start an internal critique of your work. -- Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 14:36, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

Kudos Joey!! As a concerned philosopher(with a Bachelors')I recently decided to research ID with an Aristotelian bent. Initially I found that Thaxton's 1986 essay "DNA, Design and the Origin of Life" is highly instrumental is explaining CSI. Second, Dembski's essay "Intelligent Design as a Theory of Information" is the best source for understanding "intelligent causation" the cause of CSI. Like Erasmo, I too would like to contribite an article relating to the metaphysics of functioning organelles such as e.coli flagella subcomponents(rotor, bushing etc.)Aristotle's metaphysics is about being(that it exists) and causes(why it exists). One runs into trouble when they look at e.colis flagella subcomponents in a metaphysicians perspective:

Darwinian=subcomponents are caused by purposeless, unintelligent causes.

Aristotelean=though cause is purposeless, the components working in concert, produce propulsion. The system achieves a goal or function and does so effectively. In order to acheive propulsion DNA makes the subcomponents=it satisfies the preconditions which produce propulsion. Somehow the agent is thinking ahead since it achieves a goal by satisfying requisite preconditions, it makes the subcomponents and the minimum requirement. The are other important issues related to this type of metaphysical analysis. What are your suggestions? Eric Peterson-- idadvisors@yahoo.com, or "idadvisors" member of your excellent reasearchID.org

This research sounds great! I'll send an email. -- JosephCCampana 17:41, 22 June 2006 (CDT)

Hello, I just joined your wiki project, I would like to start an article under philosophy- history of ideas about Design concepts within Presocratic philosophy, but I am not sure how to proceed. your help will be welcome --Erasmocbc 17:01, 24 February 2006 (CST)

Hello Erasmo,
Thank you for undertaking this philosophical article! It sounds awesome, I look forward to reading it! I would love to help, too. Be sure to check out the "Origins of the concept" section at the Wikipedia.org Intelligent Design article. It seems that I pretty much generated all of the "Greek" content for the section, other people have added links, but other than that it has been surprisingly static. There's some stuff in there, including links, about the Pre-Socratics.
You have a several options for writing on the Pre-Socratics here at ResearchID.org. I am currently working on an information flow section that will be like a tutorial on how to contribute to our knowledgebase. :-) Please be patient, I'll finish the tutorial tonight and let you know by email when it is up.
-- JosephCCampana 20:37, 24 February 2006 (CST)

Hello, I just found out about ResearchID.org recently, but I like it a lot. I'm wondering why is the website only going to be announced to the public in June? How will the site be different then from now? Is it okay to publicize this wiki before then? --SierraEcho 20:40, 24 February 2006 (CST)

Hello SierraEcho,
Welcome! Thank you for the compliment on the site! I'm glad you like it, I'm favorable towards it too. :) June 22, 1993 was the first day of the initial group meeting of big ID theorists at Pajaro Dunes, CA, a veritable "Birthday" of ID. By this summer, I hope we are able to generate more content and build our membership, and really make the site something to visit! Please feel free to publicize anytime! June 22 is just the day that we will "officially" open, with press releases, ID honchos doing Public Relations for us, etc, etc. It should be fun. Again, welcome and enjoy...
-- JosephCCampana 20:54, 24 February 2006 (CST)




Hi Joseph,
A few questions on biography-- what are you looking at as an "ideal" article? Do you want something in the line of a cv, just with d.o.b., education, research done and books written, or would you rather more personal accounts where possible? It is to be NPOV, as much as possible? Also, is it best to work through our list of wanted biograpies and put a bit up for each one, or is it better to make a few longer ones? I suppose you've seen the ones that I've been doing... is that alright, or should I be doing it differently? Sorry for mobbing you with questions-- I don't like making mistakes :-) --Arctura 20:21, 3 March 2006 (CST)

And another question, now that I am writing all mine out-- what is the format for a book in a bibliography where the person of interest is an editor, not author? -- Arctura 20:24, 3 March 2006 (CST)
Hey Arctura! I don’t mind questions at all! They help everyone learn how we are proceeding with our research. You are doing a great job on the bios, and trying to avoid mistakes is a First Principle here at ResearchID.org.
As I was developing ResearchID.org, I realized that I didn't need to have everything set in stone because the group of individuals contributing would probably come up with something better than I could do alone. So I left the biography and glossary formats flexible, as well as other parts of the site, open to the consensus of the contributors.
Therefore, my premise on the Biography articles is that our ResearchID community could best decide, together, what might be ideal for our site.
With that being said, we will always keep in mind that our #1 goal is to be a “springboard” to researching Intelligent Design, and not to have extremely detailed analysis in our first layer of site content. (We will definitely encourage in-depth research later, just not on the first few pages, and not now. Now we need to prepare for our Opening). For more talk about the Biographies, let’s go to the Category_Talk:Biography page. -- JosephCCampana 00:06, 4 March 2006 (CST)


Hello Joseph,

Thank you for the comment on my addition to the bib (international). I am the owner of Ciencia-Alternativa. The site was born out of the great support and encouragement from my friend, Casey Luskin (IDEA Center). I do intend to add material to Research ID, but right now I am swamped with my own project. "Ciencia" is still in the works, so it may be a while.

BTW, your site is awesome! -- Mario A. Lopez 19:13, 10 June 2006 (CDT)

Hello, I have some experience with wiki editing, I might be interested in helping out with the admin of this site - what sort of help are you looking for? What do you have in mind? -- EJ Klone 14:30, 26 June 2006 (CDT)


Hi Joseph,

This is Daniel. I'd e-mailed you earlier on the ResearchID project. I'd proposed to other members of IDURC to see if they can begin assisting in building up this resource; hopefully we'll get enough committed individuals to turn this into a rather formidable resource. I've not had much experience with Wiki syntax as yet, but it seems like something I could learn relatively quickly. At this point I'm still working on building the rest of the Shared Intellect site; I hope to complete just the structural work and initial content by the end of the year (ideally, much sooner than that)--at which point, I'd love to devote more time to working with you here. Keep fighting the good fight. =)

Archangel 7 21:32, 28 July 2006 (CDT)
P.S. -- Links to ReasearchID's index page added in the Science and Biosciences section of the Topical Library.

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Interview

Hey Joey,

Very nice podcast at ID the Future! This site is looking more wonderful every time I visit -- I only feel guilty that I have done so little recently.--SierraEcho 20:09, 31 January 2007 (CST)

Thank you! It was an honor to be interview by the DI. Please, don't feel guilty about inactivity. Unless guilt impels you to contribute more.  ;)
But seriously, like I said when I granted adminship to you, there are no minimum requirements or quotas; contribute when you can. I am always glad to have your input. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 09:50, 1 February 2007 (CST)
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Defining Intelligent Design

Joey,

ID critics complain that Intelligence is not very well defined and, therefore; design detection is too subjective. If you do not mind, please take a little time to look over my definitions at:

http://www.researchintelligentdesign.org/wiki/Defining_intelligent_design#Key_Definitions

It would be really nice to get some constructive criticism. I look forward to hearing from you. -- Eugene 09:35, September 2, 2007

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detecting volition

Joey,

Evidence for volition may be difficult to detect in design, but maybe it will be easy if the most useful signs are identified. Please let me know how well this is coming along:

http://www.researchintelligentdesign.org/wiki/Defining_Intelligence#Volition


Thanks,

--Eugene 21:49, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

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Skepticism about evolution dominating science education landscape

A practical demonostration that ID and skepticism regarding evolution has won the hearts of many students in the USA.

The teachers also cast votes in an electronic instant poll to voice their own top concerns from a list of 10. Their four top concerns were:

"No one has explained how teachers can best answer parents, students or others who ask, 'Why not teach the controversy?'"

"It is difficult to frame evolution instruction in a way that leaves students' minds open — yet also does not sound to them like equivocation."

"Students or their parents object to evolution-related instruction, and the controversy consumes valuable class time."

"Feeling confident about teaching evolution can be difficult because professional development opportunities — or even simple answers to basic questions about evolution and the nature of science — are not readily available to help teachers freshen their content knowledge."

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Our official position on ID in school curriculum

or A Hands-on Approach to the Hot Potato.

ResearchID.org has no official position on whether to include Intelligent Design into school curriculum. Yet, it seems nowadays all research and science groups publish their opinions. Since we are a research group, a few informed opinions and observations are in order. Feel free to dialogue about these observations in the discussion area of this page.

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Curriculum observations

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Potential Problems

  • Curricular challenges. Lack of an up-to-date textbook, lack of standards for teacher profeciency, and lack of assessments for students make ID unsuitable for use in schools.
  • Mandating ID. At this time, it is not prudent to mandate instruction on Intelligent Design hypotheses (especially in public schools). Compared with other scientific ideas that have supporting evidence, ID currently has a good amount of theoretical strength, but small amounts of empirical verification (which ResearchID.org hopes to help remedy).
  • Prohibiting ID. The prohibition of ID seems to be a violation of academic freedom. A certain amount of liberty is necessary to the educational process, and disallowing discussion of ID could be a violation of the fundamental nature of learning.
  • Short statements on ID. The exact purpose of short statements at the beginning of instructional units is unclear. The statement mandated by the Dover, PA school board is one example. Neither is it apparent how these are beneficial to ID, or anyone. Clarity and understanding are not attained through the use of these brief announcements. They have been too brief to be useful for any informational purposes. The statements incite strong reaction from certain members of the community, invite court involvement, and could be considered educational flame bait. They can definitely initiate strong student participation in class discussions, but there are other ways to do this that do not end up involving the ACLU.
  • ID at postsecondary institutions. ID should be evaluated by the Academy. (See ID at the academy.) The idea that Intelligent Design would be dismissed out of hand by universities, without serious review of source documents, seems very narrow-minded and perhaps dogmatic.
  • ID as an antiscientific or pseudoscientific proposal. Regarding ID as anti-scientific is a sign of misunderstanding about what ID is. Seeing ID as pseudo-scientific is, at best, an uninformed assertion.
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Possible Solutions

  • ID as proto-science. Referring to ID as proto-scientific is probably the safest position to hold. In the short term, ID has run into a great amount of resistance from scientists, like so many other scientific ideas in their infancy. Even ID researchers don’t know what to expect in the long-term. ResearchID.org is focused on being a part of the effort to bring ID beyond proto-science.
  • ID as philosophy. Many critics of ID have no problem with it as a philosophical proposition. The problem comes in when ID is proposed as part of biology or astronomy. Like all scientific concepts, ID has philosophical foundations. The inner logic of ID has a particular epistemological nature that presents a challenge to certain anti-teleological naturalistic views.
  • Teacher preference. Like so many other hot-potato issues in education, a good position for a school board would be academic freedom. Exposure to new ideas, and critical analysis of them, is very important to sound instruction.
  • Elective courses. Classes covering ID offered as electives would be one option preferable to mandated instruction.


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ID in schools

I'm not sure that the "violation of academic freedom" argument above is valid. Academic freedom is normally taken to mean that academics have the freedom to propose and discuss controversial ideas in their research (and in their own time) without getting kicked out by the university. That doesn't necessarily apply to teaching. And the reason it doesn't apply to teaching is that, when in front of a class, academics aren't just representing themselves. They're representing the entire academic community, and so their words carry the implicit endorsement of the academic community. To teach kids something that the academic community in the relevant field simply would not endorse is thus IMO extremely unethical.
I don't know how to solve this situation. I guess the question is: to what extent do we want kids exposed to ideas that (having failed to be accepted by the scientific community) stand a decent chance of being badly wrong? To what extent should the academic community be prepared to allow its representatives to endorse those positions on its behalf? How would you want it handled if it was something like denial of a connection between HIV and AIDS, or affirmation of a connection between Thimerosal and autism? -- Corkscrew 14:53, 6 April 2006 (CDT)
Are you implying that teachers should not be able to critically and synthetically look at ID with their students at any level/grade/age? If you are, you are not talking about responsible education, you're talking about censorship. If I were a teacher, I would like the academic freedom to address the most relevant issues of the day with my students in class. Otherwise, education runs the risk of being irrelevant. -- JosephCCampana 06:39, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
I think what I'm implying is that, at an educational level where students can be expected to assume that anything their teacher discusses is backed up by the scientific community, it would be inappropriate to discuss something that doesn't have that backing. In the UK, students are first expected to take everything they're told with a pinch of salt when they're postgrads - I don't know what the situation is in the US.
If you think that it's inappropriate for students to just accept what they're told at lower levels, that's fair enough. However, in that case, it would be necessary to introduce speculative research across the board, not just in the area of evolutionary biology. Teaching the controversy is fine, but you'd have to teach every controversy to avoid unfairly and inappropriately biasing kids against evolutionary biology. -- Corkscrew 07:16, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
I think I see the fulcrums of discussion here: two different points. Teaching something as mainstream science and whether gullibility is appropriate.
I'm not saying that we should teach ID as if it were backed up by mainstream science. Anyone that wants to present ID as accepted by mainstream science is not being honest. I'm saying that teachers should be able to critically and synthetically look at ID with their students, as I said before.
When is it appropriate for "students to just accept what they're told at lower levels" depends on the teacher's motives, what the teacher is saying, and how the teacher is presenting the information. IMO, trust is earned, including intellectual trust. If a teacher is telling lies, I would not want children to accept that as knowledge. -- JosephCCampana 07:53, 7 April 2006 (CDT)
OK, I think I get what you're saying and I'd broadly agree, modulo my comment about having to teach a broad range of controversies. I need to give this some more thought - I'll try to come up with a brief list of what I'd consider to be minimum conditions for teaching about ID in science class in an honest fashion. Then maybe we can discuss them for validity and see if there's any way to actually fulfil them. -- Corkscrew 08:35, 7 April 2006 (CDT)

IMO, I think it would be benefitual to teach scientific controversies to students in public shools. Just so they get the sense that science is in a continual state of asking new questions and seeking new answers. I do not think that ID should be one of those controvercies. This is not because I oppose ID, just the opposite. When people have tried to "teach the controversy" judges get involved. When that happens, the arguement comes up that it is "religion not science." Every time people hear "religion not science" ID loses. Even if ID can get good enough lawyers to get their position taught in public schools, they will lose any remaining respect of the scientific community. On the other hand, if ID can gain the respect of the scientific comunity, it will get it's theory in all the science textbooks you want. --Tom 00:29, 13 December 2006 (CST)

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Scientists equivocate the Modern Synthesis and Darwinism

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Notes for later...

  • Holism
  • Organicism
  • a fortiriori
  • Supramolecular structures and activities
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Question

I wrote to the webmaster of this site the same questions as below and seems that his email is not valid. So, I was thinking to direct the same question to you or anybody here. Here is the letter I wrote.

I am wondering are ID-ers mostly Christians or at least sympathizers of Christianity? And then, also other religions are speaking about the designer. Is it acceptable for this website to give an account e.g. from the Vedic scriptures about the activity of the designer or references that supports the idea of the existence of designer? How much are you allowing quotations from Bible and other scriptures?

Thanks in advance for your reply. Nitai

PS: I made a website:

The Hare Krishna Views On Science http://www.freewebtown.com/bhaktivedanta108 You think you would be interested to add somewhere this link on you site?

Nitai, concerning holy books, please refer to my message to you on the Talk:Syntropy page.
A Google search of your site for the word "design" comes up with zero hits. Based on this, I don't think a link would be appropriate here. If you have content about ID in the future, please do let me know. -- JosephCCampana 13:31, 27 June 2006 (CDT)

Actually the website is quite new so the goggle didn't scan it. But with the site search I got few hits on the word design. You can check that with the below link. But anyway, soon I will put your site on my special links. http://www.freewebtown.com/bhaktivedanta108/searchfunc.html?sw=design&ss=0&sm=0&sin=0 Nitai

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Books & Book sources

Recommend adding BookFinder.com --DLH 16:57, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

Hello DLH! Thanks for the suggestion. Where should we add BookFinder.com? -- Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 20:54, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
I put it under Handy Tools-DLH 21:34, 22 August 2006 (CDT)
  • The Human Body: An Intelligent Design. Alan L. Gillen, Frank J. Sherwin and Alan C. Knowles. 2001. CRS Monograph Series No. 8. Creation Research Society Books, 171 pages (8.5 x 11 format).

Haven't read it but title looks promising. What do you think about putting this under IC List: Complex Body Systems? DLH 21:14, 13 November 2006 (CST)

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How did you get the Google Adwords on the left of each page?

Ultimately, it is about familiarity with PHP and CSS, but these links helped:

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New Page - Sandbox

Right off I could not see how to create a new page from Sandbox. I punted by searching for Desired new page and clicked create. Please make this process clearer to newbes.-DLH You can clear the Sandbox as I have copied it to the new Werner Gitt page. Or does each user have their own sandbox?-DLH

DLH,
Thank you for the message and for your most recent updates! The flagella video was great! I'm going to consider how best to utilize the "Handy Tools" page you created. I think it has a lot of potential!
  • The directions for making a new page are available in the welcome message I personally place on every new member's user talk page. See yours here. Also in the Help page, accessible through the left navigation menu on every page.
  • There is currently only one sandbox, and it can be cleared by whomever feels so inclined. You could create your own sandbox by making a page called DLH/Sandbox. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 22:27, 22 August 2006 (CDT)
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Facts for Biotic Theories

Per your comments, I moved the material to a new page: Facts for Biotic Theories, with links back/forth to Catalog of Fundamental Facts. Added Dembski's paragraphs to that discussion page. Further cleanup of bibliography etc. later. Feedback?-David L. Hagen

Looks great, will add to Primordial Soup. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 10:37, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
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DNA Overwinding

See the starter page: DNA Overwinding. This may be useful to add to your DNA compaction sequence. -DLH

Good stuff, I'll add a link to the compaction page. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 10:36, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
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Date

The dates in Recent Designs appear to be made in a time machine - with the next day's date. Suggest correcting this to the current date.-DLH

DLH,
Wow, thanks for bringing this to my attention. I think that's an SQL/server-side issue, I'll look into it.
--Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 07:28, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
I think it's fixed. It appears to be working fine now. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 08:06, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
Thanks, much more comfortable working in the present again!. Date note section now deletable.-DLH
No prob, thanks for alerting me. I'm eventually going to archive my talk page into categorical pages: no deletion necessary. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 08:42, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
Time still appears to be about 18.50 hours ahead of US Eastern time. Where is this server?DLH 23:03, 30 August 2006 (CDT)DLH 23:06, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
Checking... --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 12:19, 31 August 2006 (CDT)
David, server is set to GMT. You need to set your time settings in your user preferences. To do this, make sure you're logged in, click on the 'preferences' link at the top right of any page, click on the 'Date and time' tab, and set your correct time zone. You may have to refresh pages. Let me know if there's other questions. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 09:45, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
Thanks & Apologies, should have "twigged".
Recommend adding to the user's starter talk page that note on setting users local time, DLH 09:16, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
Added link to Template:Welcome, which I personally post on all new user talk pages. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 13:06, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
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Update rate of ID News

Joey, the ID News seems to update fairly slowly. If it were possible to update more than once per day etc. would recommend it. e.g., 1/hr.-DLH

DLH,
Thanks for the suggestion. The MediaWiki extension used here to display RSS feeds doesn't allow for this option.
--Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 00:01, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
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Catalog of Fundamental Facts

Should this be listed on the front page when it is practically bare? Doesn't give initial explorers much reason to come back. Recommend Facts for Biotic Theories until there is serious content to Catalog of Fundamental Facts. -DLH

My initial hope was that it would impel our pro-ID visitors to contribute, but obviously that strategy is not working. I will remove the link tomorrow. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 00:09, 29 August 2006 (CDT)
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ID Assumptions

Joey, I finally posted ID Assumptions from ISCID brainstorms. Any recommendations on what categories and where to link it to?David L. Hagen 22:11, 2 September 2006 (CDT) : For starters I added: Category:Intelligent Design Methodology Category:ID Research Essentials Category:Design Detection David L. Hagen 22:20, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

I will be creating "Open Science" and "Closed Science" pages, with ID Assumptions being a equivalent to "Open Science." DLH 09:25, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
Sounds good. You can also post links to all material related to developing ID in the proper section at Primordial Soup, our research coop page.
Please be sure to include refs and citations on this open and closed science topic, I would like to read your material and beyond on this topic. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 13:21, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
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Starter Pages

Where do you want a starter page on a subject with some initial links, and where to put those under Throw Down etc? I have been throwing together some starter pages with preliminary links as I come across them. See new pages. A couple like ID Assumptions and Facts for Biotic Theories are formal full pages.David L. Hagen 22:14, 2 September 2006 (CDT) You can post links to all material related to developing ID in the proper section at Primordial Soup, our research coop page. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 13:45, 4 September 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. Edited and added ID AssumptionsDLH 23:34, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
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Sandbox

The directions on starting a new page refer to instructions in the Sandbox. However, Sandbox gets changed/deleted.

  1. Recommend a way for sandbox directions to be created/restored.
  2. Recommend adding a SandBox:User when a new user starts.
  3. Recommend explicit clearer directions on how to create a new page.
The only way I have found is when I search for a unique string, and I am logged in it asks "do you want to create this page." This does not work for existing strings. I don't understand the "control & click" directions.DLH 09:23, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
Hello David, I created a template for sandbox instructions and clarified how to make a new page, linked to both the help page and the welcome letter on new user's talk pages. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 13:46, 4 September 2006 (CDT).
Thanks. Much more obvious and easier.DLH 23:34, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
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Stub Pages in Italics

Joey Recommend putting the Stub Pages in italics or some unusual color until filled. i.e. to distinguish "real" pages from stubs and reduce frustration of clicking on empty pages.

Good suggestion, let me look into this... --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 14:22, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
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Login link back to originating page

Nuisance category. Clicking Edit - then logging in - sometimes links to home page not originating page.DLH

Yeah, that's a pain. I don't know how to deal with this bug, that seems to be a pretty deep coding issue that I do not know how to fix currently...will add to our bugzilla. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 17:59, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
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ClustrMap

See [1]

  • Recommend adding ClustrMap link when available. See: Get your own
  • This give significant visual interest not just dry statistics.DLH 22:10, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
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Meta tags

Congratulations, you are now in the top 8 in google "Research Intelligent Design". "Main Page - ResearchID.org Paradigm Dawning. An anthology of essays on intelligent design research. ... Breaking the Mold I: Theoretical Research of Intelligent Design ..." Recommend setting up the metatags for your pages, to give more punch and essential grabber info for what shows up first. DLH 00:04, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

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Request a link

Prominently ask readers to link to ResearchID.org; On the main page, and on ID at the Academy. Links are a major basis for Google relevance and rank and publicity.DLH 08:33, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

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Make ResearchID.org primary

Recommend making ResearchID.org your primary web site, with link from ResearchintelligentDesign.org: its shorter to link Better yet, suggest grabbing ResearchID.net and keeping both.DLH 08:33, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

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Student Research

Add a page/section for Student Research:

  1. Strongly recommend students / propose to professors:
  2. Take a subject, research it, and prepare a thorough ResearchID page as the term project.
  3. Take an existing ID page and make it the best on the web.
  4. Add a page of projects contributed by Institution - make it a competition
  5. See Student papers at Cornell
  6. Give ranking / voting on projects by participating institutions
  7. Have all participating programs review and rank other projects - or from previous quarters;
  8. Award Winning entries each quarter
  • See the video The Emperors Club
  1. Redirects: Term Projects; Student Projects;DLH 09:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
This sounds like a great idea!SierraEcho 22:35, 10 February 2007 (CST)
I think this would be great too. I just can't think of anyone who could get this rolling. Anyone interested in starting this, and might have the means to enact it, please let me know. I'm going to move some of this content into its own page, link it to the main page, and see what happens. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 22:04, 11 February 2007 (CST)
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Brainstorms of term projects

  1. List possible topics for students to pick as term projects
  2. List organizations/students who are working on those topicsDLH 09:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
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ID Academy Origin Blogs

  1. Add a page ID Academy Origin Blogs
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Rules of Engagement

  • Be civil
  • Debating rules etc.
  • No Ad Hominem attacks
  • No logic falacies
  • eg See Ground-Rules at Cornell
  • Debating deductions for ad hom attacks
  • Points for identifying ad hominem attacks and other failures of logicDLH 09:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
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ID Academy Links

  • Request the Academy provide a preferred web link for that course
  • Request a preferred link to contact details for that professor or departmentDLH 09:24, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

http://dekkens.pageout.net/page.dyn/student/course/syllabus?course_id=69241

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Biography Nomenclature Standardization

Some biography pages list just the person's name (like Wikipedia) and others list "Biography: Name"

  • Biography should not be included with the page name but as a category.
  • Recommend changing ALL Biography:Name to Name and add category Biography at the bottom.

e.g. See Nancy Pearcey DLH 18:36, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

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Redirect Short Name to Full Name

Recommend the full name be the primary page and a short name redirect to that full name or with a disambiguation page. eg Henry Schaeffer redirect to Henry F. Schaeffer DLH 10:39, 15 November 2006 (CST)

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Special Page:Book sources

Add Bookfinder DLH 14:32, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

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ID Videos

Student Video on ID 

   FIRST PRIZE WINNER
   Middle School
   Caitie Adams, Hillary Wood & Anna Viterisi, 8th
   “Science or Faith: Intelligent Design in Public Schools”
   Lora Batchelor Middle School
   Bloomington, IN
   Insight Communications
   Air Date: 4/11/06 | Watch Interview

   Source: http://www.studentcam.org/winners_2006.asp.DLH 23:26, 21 September 2006 (CDT)

See further suggestions at Talk:ID multimedia course

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Joey Talk Link

Recommend providing an obvious link to your User Talk from your main page. (e.g., for novices like me who can't find it at first. DLH 23:26, 21 September 2006 (CDT)

Done! Thanks for the suggestion. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 07:57, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
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Fix UD News link

See: "UncommonDescent.com Failed to load RSS feed from http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-feed.php!" DLH 22:52, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

  • Thanks for alerting me. The feed was down this morning, but now it's fine. The feed is intermitently working, so seems there's trouble. They recently refurbished, so I'll wait out their possible "growing pains," before I start tinkering with our code. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 14:23, 23 October 2006 (CDT); Working now. Thanks DLH 17:23, 27 October 2006 (CDT)
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Articles pertinent to ID

Where do you want to post articles relevant to ID? eg I added: * Polanyi, M. 1968. "Life's Irreducible Structure", Science Vol. 160: no. 3834 pp1308-1312.: to the extended ID page for now.DLH 17:23, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

That's fine. We'll probably post it in other places as time goes on. Thanks for adding that. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 20:58, 27 October 2006 (CDT)
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ID Links

ID organizations to add: Intelligent Design Denmark http://www.intelligentdesign.dk/news.php

I added this site to The Essential Intelligent Design Bibliography. Thanks! --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 09:50, 1 February 2007 (CST)
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hey joe

just going to try this place a while. i was banned from wiki for trying to make their ID article unbiased. have you ever editing on wiki?

thanksRaspor 08:17, 1 February 2007 (CST)

Raspor, welcome to ResearchID.org and thank you for giving our site a try. Yes, I have interacted on Wikipedia, and while I find it cumbersome to deal with, I can definitely understand the reasoning behind many of the rules they have. I think you will find this site much more appealing, if for no other reason than you will not find mobs fighting against you, and this is true whether you are open or closed to the ID concept. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 09:50, 1 February 2007 (CST)
Is there any place to really debate anti-IDers? you cant do that on wiki. you cannot even try to show your point of view. your articles here are very balanced and not POV. what i have noticed with anti-IDers is once you ask them to go thru their logic they get angry and attack and insult. the logic here is so clear. nice job Raspor 07:59, 2 February 2007 (CST)
Raspor, thank you for your kind compliments about our articles.
I do not know of a place on the internet where honest dialog can take place on a regular basis. There is too much pathos in the debate. I find personal emails to be most effective in diffusing hostility, if you are talking with someone who is honestly dealing with the data.
I think the biggest problem for someone like yourself, who is seeking genuine dialog, is the fact that there is generally no fulcrum of discussion. There is absolutely no fulcrum of discussion on Wikipedia. Of course, there is no fulcrum of discussion because of closed minds. Closed minds have many causes.
I can tell you that you will find open minds here. We are listening to all sides, and when someone has an honest and clear point, we take it seriously. I invite you to be a part of our community and help us to generate articles that continue to be clear and balanced. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 08:28, 2 February 2007 (CST)
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Birthdays

Joey, I understand your concern about birthdays but I would think in most cases the birthdays of public people are public knowledge. Everyone knows the birthdays of living celebrities, political figures and famous scientists. Behe's birthday is available on wikipedia as well. --SierraEcho 17:40, 14 February 2007 (CST)

I've been looking at the wikipedia articles and as far as I can see all the birthdays are publically available there. --SierraEcho 17:43, 14 February 2007 (CST)
SE, thank you for your concern, I see your point, and I would agree with you, except that:
1.) Wikipedia is flirting with violating their own standards on birthdays[2]:
"Wikipedia includes exact birthdates for some famous people, but including this information for most living people should be handled with caution. ... With identity theft on the rise, it has become increasingly common for people to consider their exact date of birth to be private information."
My opinion: Identity theft=Bad. I do not want anything to do with it, even if there is no way we can get in trouble for it.
I would like to extend this birth date non-inclusion courtesy to the members of the ID community and anyone else we write about. I know I would appreciate it if I were in their shoes. I realize the Golden Rule is not based on scientific evidence, but evidence does not negate common courtesy in my book. I hold to the Golden Rule as strictly as humanly possible, and that goes for this site. I would rather not even flirt with violating a living person's privacy. Just because Wikipedia does it doesn't mean we should. Wikipedia does many things I disagree with, not the least of which is their hack jobs on all things related to ID.
2.) Birth year and city is fine. Exact birth date seems to me unnecessary for the purposes of this website. If our visitors want an exact birth date, they can go somewhere else and get it. I will not compromise on this without very good reasons.
I appreciate your concern, SE, but I cannot be a part of this, and I don't want ResearchID.org to be a part of even a trivial problem in this regard. If you can think of a supremely practical reason to have birthdays, please alert me. You know I am always ready to listen, no matter how much I disagree. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 18:11, 14 February 2007 (CST)
I'm guessing this only applies to people who are still alive? Bwater 19:02, 14 February 2007 (CST)
That's fine, Joey. It's always good to err on the safe side, and we certainly don't want to make it any easier for any kind of identity theft. I also can't think of any useful reson (besides curiosity) why the exact date is needed.--SierraEcho 19:08, 14 February 2007 (CST)
Bwater, that's correct: we will not retain birth dates on living persons, only birth year.
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Do you know Dembski? And a high volume site is now linking to an article here.

Do you know Mr. Dembski? If so, please tell him that a high volume site is now linking to a certain article of his (so he keeps the article up). I think there has been over 200,000 views in very short time (2 weeks) and the high volume will likely continue permanently.

Here is the article: There Is No Theory of Evolution Also, if he could somehow "capture" the evolutionist website he links to (in case it disappears) that would be appreciate. Here is that website

Also, I footnoted Just-so story at the same high traffic site. Please see the section titled "Macroevolutionary Position and Implausible Explanations" in this article Theory of evolution which is at Conservapedia.org. Conservative 09:04, 20 March 2007 (CDT)conservative

I also footnoted this site at CreationWiki which doesn't get as much traffic but might in the future. [3]

Conservative 09:45, 20 March 2007 (CDT)conservative

Conservative -- Thank you for the links at these sites. I will notify Dembski and the author of the blog page you mention, DaveScot, of the necessity of keeping the page up. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 10:12, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
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Another request.

Dear Sir,

Thank you very much.

Based on google hits I think the article is got over 200,000 views in two weeks like I said. I just wanted to make sure you understood what I said before. Given the admission that the evolutionist made that Dembski linked to, I think the source will likely pull that webpage. Also, in due time the webpage will disappear anyways. I strong suspect that there is readily available technology that can "capture" that webpage. Here is the webpage that Mr. Dembski links to: http://mac10.umc.pitt.edu/m/FMPro?-db=ma&-lay=a&-format=d.html&id=2807&-Find Please tell Mr. Dembski to "capture" capture that webpage. Right now, Conservapedia is hot and given the growth of Wikipedia I think Conservapedia will continue to be hot. So I would love it if that webpage could be captured. Conservative 10:26, 20 March 2007 (CDT)conservative

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You can can make me an Admin but....

You can make me an Admin if you want but please do not advertise on your site that I am an Admin. I won't be around much. I can catch various pieces of vandalism if I see them though and put a block on the vandal. That is what I do at Conservapedia. Conservative 10:38, 20 March 2007 (CDT)conservative

Conservative -- Thank you for this generous offer to be an admin here. We normally require at least 200 edits for someone to be considered for adminship. Given our correspondence thus far, your obvious familiarity with wikis, the link to our site, and your edits here thus far, I think you are well-qualified for adminship at ResearchID.org. I have granted you sysop status.
There are no expectations of minimum involvement by admins. For more see: ResearchID.org:Administrators
Feel free to immediately block for commercial spam and any profanity. Please consult with me before blocking a member on other content, like criticims of ID, etc. Critics are welcome here. Sometimes individuals critical of ID just need to be directed to the right page to lodge criticisms, or what they type on the page is not quite what they were trying to express.
Welcome to the team. For any other questions you may have, please contact me at my user page: --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 11:20, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
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You may have a lot of traffic because...

You may have a lot of traffic because I altered the sentence in that site's article that refers to your site so it would really perk people's interest. I am referring to the article that got a lot of traffic. The only reason I am telling you this is because I want you to be on guard for vandalism to your "just so" article.

Here is the new sentence in the article:

A "just so story" is also a term used in scholarly works in the fields of anthropology, biological sciences, and social sciences for an explanation which is unverifiable and unfalsifiable and opponents of the macroevolutionary view point out many instances where it is used in scholarly works. [4]

Conservative 21:01, 20 March 2007 (CDT)conservative

Thanks for the warning, I'll keep an eye on it. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 21:33, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
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question

Someone wrote this at Conservapedia:

"Nick Matzke suggests that this is true for most of the structure of the flagellum in general; suggesting that of the 42 proteins found in the flagellum, 40 have already been found in use in different biological pathways." [5]

I also notice that Matke co-authored a work against Behe's work in the journal Nature which is located here

Do you have any website's or book citations that refute the above material specifically? Conservative 20:38, 7 April 2007 (CDT)conservative

Conservative, there's a wheel in my cordless razor, and on the dials of my oven. Are they related by descent with modification through random mutation and natural selection, or co-option? I see no evidence that that is the case. Franklin Harold, in his book published by Oxford University Press, titled The Way of the Cell, stated that, "There are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations." Nick Matzke, and those quoting him, are wishing that Harold is wrong about flagellar systems, but Harold's statement is correct. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 14:42, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
Harold's statement was many years before my flagellum article, and even back then he was wrong e.g. on complex metabolic pathways, and the evolution of the immune system (Harold's book didn't discuss the immune system at all, his book was about cells -- but dishonest ID advocates pretend he was addressing all systems).--Nickmatzke 17:08, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
Nick,
Welcome to ResearchID.org. I am glad to see you are becoming acquainted with our pages.
  • As best I can recall, Harold’s book was published around 2003, and a brief look at Amazon.com confirms my memory. "Many years" = 4-5 years? I suppose your use of the term 'many' is a subjective judgment on your part that I disagree with.
  • I don't think it is dishonest for an ID advocate like myself to say that Harold’s statement was addressing "detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system," seeing as that was what he said. The bacflag would fall under these categories. What is dishonest is for you to come here and post a message accusing me of dishonesty when I am taking someone's words seriously.
  • Your flagella paper is wishful speculation, so Harold's statement still holds on that point.
  • In case you haven't already done so, you should read my user page here at ResearchID.org. There you will learn that I am a non-Darwinian evolutionist. Where evidence warrants the conclusion that something has evolved by Darwinian processes, I have no problem with that.
  • Two of my main issues with many neo-Darwinists and adaptationists are:
  1. When someone imagines a Darwinian solution and pretends to offer that as an unassailable answer (as you pretend to do here), and,
  2. When someone showing rightful skepticism of such an answer is impugned as "dishonest" (as you do here).
I don’t go to Panda’s Thumb to falsely accuse you, so don’t come here to falsely accuse me. ResearchID.org is not a sounding board for your ignorance and dis-conceptions about genetics, Nunney, ID, or any other topic. If you want to get yourself banned from this website, continue with the misleading terminology, the ill-founded claims, and the false accusations. I usually give people more than several chances before I ban them. You, however, get no benefit of the doubt, because I have no doubt your principle purpose here is cloak and dagger. Also, I don't have spare time to continually clean up your messes. This is strike two for you.
Nullius en verba, --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana
Well, here's my beef: How the heck do you know that Harold would say my paper is "wishful speculation"? Even if he did, how do you know he would say the same thing about the immune system, where there are hundreds of papers on the evolutionary question, published in top journals? How do you know he is even familiar with these topics? And, his book was first published in 2001. --Nickmatzke 15:55, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

Nick, please answer one question: Where did I say that I "know that Harold would say my [your] paper is 'wishful speculation'"? The veracity of your answer will determine your immediate membership status at this website. --Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 00:40, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

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I thought you might like this...

Please see: http://www.researchintelligentdesign.org/wiki/Image:Evolutionfairytale.gif

Conservative 20:36, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

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small request

Please spread the word that the prominent biologist/evolutionist and defender of the evolutionary position PZ Myers is not doing to well in his online debate with a creationist as can be seen here and he is badly stumbling on the Haeckel's embryos matter: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/11/add_lee_strobel_to_your_list_o.php

To give you an idea of PZ Myers prominence he has 500,000 hits on Google and Richard Dawkins has 2 million hits. Conservative 19:50, 4 November 2007 (CST)

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small request regarding my adminship plus Good news for your website

Joe,

I put in a small request in regards to my adminship here via private email. I also have some good news regarding this website which should be happening soon. I just sent it via email. Conservative 22:52, 17 November 2007 (CST)

== instant messaging, messaging, or email? Joe, I need to communicate some privately with DLH, David Hagen, to ask some questions. Is there a facility here for instant messaging, or messaging, or email? (Please email me back with the answer.) -- WalterR

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important message to Joe

Dear Joe,

I have some news regarding how conservapedia got its theory of evolution article in the top 10 Google results. I think you could apply that news at this wiki and get great results. In addition, Conservapedia's atheism article should be in the top 10 Google results soon.

Next, Conservapedia just completely revamped its main intelligent design article and the article mentions this wiki. The article needs some revamping and that should be done within a week but the article is a 5,000 percent improvement with what Conservapedia had before. The article is moving fast up the Google rankings and if author wants the article to be top ranked by the search engines the opportunity is there for him.

With the aforementioned in mind, may I ask you how important it would be for you and other members for this wiki to have top search engine rankings and to have a lot more internet traffic?

By the way, I forget my username here and I am a previous member. Mrgreen 01:22, 6 April 2008 (CDT)

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Some free publicity for your website

Dear Joe,

I believe a fairly major Christian online news website is going to do a story on Conservapedia's atheism article. Do you want to link to Conservapedia's atheism article and be quoted by the news organization regarding atheism and the article in question? Some prominent Christian ministries are linking to it and the article is climbing up the search engine rankings.

Here is Conservapedia's atheism article: http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism

Let me know. JohnBrown 18:34, 1 May 2008 (CDT)

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TO: Joe

Joe, I would like to use some of my skills to really boost the viewership of ResearchID like I did for Conservapedia. I will be sending you a private email regarding this matter. Johnroberts 14:24, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

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